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James Thomas's avatar

I think Judge Cannon possesses enough courage to dismiss the entire case based upon Meese's argument.

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Michelle Dostie's avatar

Meese’s was the first amicus brief filed. There have been several filed since then, mostly from current and former AG’s, with additional arguments for the need for Presidential appointment Senate and confirmation for the special counsel officer.

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JoMack's avatar

I hope Judge Cannon has the courage to approve the argument that Jack Smith does not have the authority to be Special Counsel under the Appointments Clause of the Constitution. If she pulls the plug on Smith, the immunity case in front of SCOTUS will most likely be reviewed in a different light.

During oral arguments this year on Trump's immunity argument by his attorney John Sauer, Clarence Thomas asked why this challenge to Mr. Smith's appointment wasn't done in the January 6 case. Sauer explained that "we have done so in the Southern District of Florida". So hopefully Judge Cannon will rule before SCOTUS rules on immunity, but be that as it may, Smith's little cash cow of upwards of $20 million bucks will come to a screeching halt. Isn't is odd that Smith was worth $1 million in 2021 and he's now worth $5 million. Plus he's getting all the perks, plus security (unlike SCOTUS and RFK Jr., who have, in fact, assignation attempts made against them). But, the DOJ has been subverting the rules of justice along with his boss who are using Trump's phony charges against him in ads. So, when (God willing), Smith is taken to the woodshed, the 50 million bucks Biden spent on ads showing Trump in the NYC court with subtitles of 34 felonies will look like the fact that it is: a political hit job with the backdrop of election interference that you'd see in the ads going far and wide in Zimbabwe.

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Seva's avatar

“when (God willing), Smith is taken to the woodshed,”

If that happens the democrats will call it a breakdown in the rule of law and a grave danger to democracy in America. Follow Yahoo News. They have links to all kinds of articles and the many political/cultural ones are mostly leftist such as the one from the New York Times article I posted below. There are a great many of our “fellow Americans” who follow the msm and believe them. As for Judge Cannon, they say she’s “incompetent” and “far-right” and does not follow the rule of law. They despise her. Don’t take my word for it. Follow Yahoo News and you’ll see leftist articles oozing with contempt for her.

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JoMack's avatar

I don't listen or read any of their leftist garbage. Smith's been overturned by the SCOTUS before and hopefully will be tossed out by Cannon. Also Smith should be charged with evidence tampering, running grand juries simultaneously in FL and DC, witness tampering in his approval of Jay Bratt bribing Walt Naute's atty. to coerce Naute (Trumps military valet who is being charged for moving boxes) to testify against Trump, unconstitutional use of the justice system for election interference and fringing Trump's First Amendment rights under the Constitution, and last but not least, he is NOT a legitimate Special Counsel. So, the garbage dump a/k/a MSM can gaslight us all they want but they're running out of steam. Especially, now that they are telling the public at the WH press conference that when we see Biden wander off hither and yon it's a deep fake. The lies are so breathtaking it's amazing and terrifying the Biden is actually at 40% approval. It is bind boggling and one has to wonder "who are these people?" And we hope and pray that they don't vote.

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Seva's avatar

It is mind boggling and one has to wonder "who are these people?"

I totally agree. We lack a common reality, have become incomprehensible to each other and can no longer communicate. Where is the common ground in such an infinitely wide divide? There obviously is none. I’m retired but worked (CNC machinery) for many years with many legal immigrants from all over the world in Chicago. Vietnam, Mexico, Assyrians from Iraq, Jews from the Soviet Union, Indian Muslims from Gujarat and many other places. Excellent people with traditional values. All of them were appalled by Woke ideology and illegal immigration. According to the democrats though, Trump wants to deport “immigrants” as if he wants to arrest and deport legal immigrants like Elon Musk who came here from South Africa. They just lie and spin things all the time. I closely follow AI and believe this is the only thing that can save our sinking ship. The best of times. The worst of times.

Integrated AI: The psychology of modern LLMs (2024). (11 min)

Dr Alan Thompson. Jun 17, 2024

https://youtu.be/Ex3qR1TCO2Y?si=w8mYLPyyZ_gZ_Qr1

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Michelle Dostie's avatar

I’m looking at AI as more of cause of confusion about what’s real. There is a new “game” : Elections and Dragons. The goal is to create the best scenario to confuse the populace by taking certain actions. The basis is use of AI. See Matt Taibbi’s substack last week.

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Seva's avatar

Also a lot of good from AI in areas such as curing health issues.

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Michelle Dostie's avatar

A Democrat representative in a recent hearing called her Trump’s “friend.” Apparently she came to the US as a child observing government tyranny. Wariness of government actions comes naturally.

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Michelle Dostie's avatar

Whether or not Smith loses his assignment, it is unseemly that the result of the current administration DOJ’s quasi-success in making misdemeanors a felony by an unproven predicate crime could now be turned into a campaign slogan. Since when did this become legal use of the Justice system, its attempts at jurisprudence, and its purpose?

Doesn’t the world know that President Trump was convicted in the wrong jurisdiction for his Non Disclosure Agreement that was disclosed?

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Pat Smith's avatar

Last time I checked Zimbabwe had a much fairer system of justice. They certainly run cleaner elections.

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Seva's avatar

Maybe we could pay some poll watchers from Zimbabwe to come to America and monitor our election in November. They’d probably be afraid to come to cities like Chicago though.

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task's avatar

This is as simple as it gets. It is a Separation of Powers issue that is more fundamental to the US Constitution than the Bill of Rights is. This issue precedes even the Constitutional Founding. The Executive Branch, unilaterally, cannot take a plain clothes, little old nobody and make him the most powerful attorney in the country with the ability to use that power unrestricted, even by the DOJ him/herself, to lay waste to every other branch. The Senate is the safeguard to prevent the DOJ from easily and conveniently legalizing tyranny. No way!

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Seva's avatar

Sure does look like civil war. America has already ceased to exist as a country internally which is why our society looks like this externally. Is the world aware that America is disintegrating? Sure they are. How could they possibly not be? They see things like this just as easily as we do. Will this strengthen BRICS and increase the move away from the dollar? No doubt about it. The disastrous failure of the American experiment has no doubt already drastically altered the course of world history. Perhaps now people will understand why I say only AI can save our sinking ship, and by that I mean not only America but the world itself which is also in a tailspin.

“But the early timing, volume and scale of the planning underway to push back against a potential second Trump administration are without precedent. The loose-knit coalition is determined not to be caught flat-footed, as many were after his unexpected victory in 2016.”

“If Trump returns to power, he is openly planning to impose radical changes — many with authoritarian overtones. Those plans include using the Justice Department to take revenge on his adversaries; sending federal troops into Democratic cities; carrying out mass deportations; building huge camps to hold immigrant detainees; making it easier to fire civil servants and replace them with loyalists; and expanding and centralizing executive power.”

“The Resistance to a New Trump Administration Has Already Started.”

Yahoo News. New York Times. Jun 16, 2024

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/16/us/politics/trump-2025-democratic-resistance.html

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Michelle Dostie's avatar

I read the Yahoo article. What are authoritarian “overtones” exactly? We have 3 branches, all with checks and balances on each other. The President cannot send out the military domestically; he can (and did) authorize the National Guard to be called domestically to assist other police forces. We need a solution to the immigration problem to regain our borders. There are millions of foreign nationals here, so deportations will not be a trickle. He will likely reactivate his former EO’s. The Republican Party doesn’t want retaliation. We have much more important matters. Okaynow the Times…

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Rev. Karlan Fairchild, MDiv's avatar

Once again, Julie, you provided an outstanding summation of the legal briefs filed by former Attorney General Ed Meese. But, I have only one problem and it's simple. Because we are now living in the realm of Stalin style Soviet Justice, replete with the requisite Soviet-Show-Trials presided over by Marxists-wearing-black-robes inside Moscow-on-the-Potomac, do we really expect the weasel J. Smith to abide by some old piece of paper called the United States Constitution? Certainly you jest...

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Michelle Dostie's avatar

The Constitution has enforcement since it is not suggestions.

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Seva's avatar

The Constitution is no longer enforced. It’s meaningless to the deranged fanatics who rule us. My hope is that AI will save us and there is good reason to believe it will. It’s always darkest just before dawn. Soon the sun will shine and all will be well with the world. The odds are on our side. At least that’s how it all seems to me.

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Michelle Dostie's avatar

Its tenets are most certainly enforced. Do we not have three branches of government, each with oversight powers over the others? Do we not vote according to the State Legislatures statutory decisions? Do we not have appeals to higher courts? Does not Congress have the power of the purse? Do we still have due process rights? If they are ignored, do we not have the right of appeal to a higher court? These are a few of current issues that inform us that our form, function, and rights are proscribed for We the People to secure the blessings of liberty for us and our posterity?

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Seva's avatar

“The Republic Is Long Gone.” (1 min)

Shorts. Tucker Carlson. Jun 20, 2024

https://youtube.com/shorts/UiAzr9NJGac?si=w1NvXTROib3TQFsn

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Seva's avatar

Chicago’s Woke black mayor believes white racism, “systemic racism” is the root cause of black violence so the way to end the violence is to end the racism. I see people in the comments asking why the mayor simply ignores the out of control crime in the city. He’s not ignoring it though. He believes he needs to deal with the “root cause” to solve the problem plus if we had a serious crackdown on crime it would have a “disparate impact” on blacks which democrats would consider “racist” and unacceptable. This is an impossible situation. What we have here is a totally unworkable society.

“More than 70 shot, 8 fatally, from Friday night to Monday morning in Chicago.” (3 min)

WGN News. Jun 17, 2024

https://youtu.be/osyFqv6oHko?si=Im6s37nR2g82DV0C

“Chicago takes a major step towards enacting reparations program.” (3 min)

CBS Chicago. Jun 17, 2024

https://youtu.be/HYv9Mv_oSzo?si=UUjxbQlLZ5JYFh4P

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Robert Yates's avatar

If white racism is the cause of black violence, why are most of their victims also black?

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Seva's avatar

The left claims “systemic racism” by whites causes black social dysfunction which results in things like black on black crime and violence.

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A. Jeannette's avatar

I like your point.

The "root cause" as you say that the Chicago Mayor said, reminds me of the crap idea that Kamala Harris said about the "Root Cause" that she was talking about for the outrageously open border that her dumb, lying, racist, pedophile leader engineered. AND the equally stupid Harris did exactly NOTHING about the border situation. Some kind of Border Czar that kackling obviously unenlightened twit is, ay!

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Seva's avatar

I’ve seen videos of the “migrant crisis” which say that leftist immigration judges in Sanctuary States like California and New York approve of about two-thirds of asylum claims which means they’re here permanently plus even those denied asylum and told to leave the country just ignore the order to leave the country since it’s not enforced and they know that. Plus in the New York Times article from Yahoo News that I posted in a comment below they even say they’ll fight deportation with lawfare to get the cases stalled in the courts. This is just not working at all.

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A. Jeannette's avatar

Spot on correct, Seva!

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Kevin Beck's avatar

Jack Smith should be sent to the garbage can. It would be a most appropriate ending to this sham prosecution.

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working rich's avatar

Would be great.

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Wayne Pearson's avatar

In professional wrestling, Vince McMahon used to say, 'You're F-I-R-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-D.

Words I hope Jack Smith hears.

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A. Jeannette's avatar

Sir and Madame,

This is conceptually a very strange assumption that the current Lawfare contingent of arrogant Trump prosecutors has assembled. If Mr. Meese and the Trump battery of attorneys are successful at disqualifying Jack Smith from his dripping salivatory mouth (like a pavlov dog) dream court case, what remedy remains for the Democrat/Left/Lib/Progressive/MainstreamMedia/DeepStateSwamp pent up bent to nail Donald Trump?

Indeed it appears that on almost every front, the D/l/l/P/MsM/DSS prosecutors have dressed up their pigs with a double set of lips to paint several different colors on those super sized lips. Letitia James' case was only minimally successful because Trump was most assuredly successful at coming up with the diminished punishment cash . The Alvin Bragg/Juan Merchan lawsuit is very likely going to have problems surviving on appeal and more important, the greater public does not cotton to convicting President Donald Trump (hence the outrageously huge amount of donations made to his campaign coffers). The mouthy Miss Willis and lover seem to be getting tossed about on the dingy they are attempting to steer in the Georgia court ocean. With the beautiful Ms. Cannon holding court in Florida this Friday and Monday in hearing arguments as to Smiths viability to even be on a ticket to prosecute Trump, there is now a question of Smith's ability to be there and if he actually is allowed to be "there".

I don't know...is Judge Cannon deliberately taking the Clinton cockeyed idea of this all depending on what "is" is?

I certainly am wondering if my little comment here holds any dismal amount of water at all.

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Michelle Dostie's avatar

The Appointment is not the only issue holding up the trial in this case. Due to a defense motion compelling discovery and the judge unsealing the discovery, the net of government actors has widened. There will potentially more discovery. I don’t know if Judge Cannon has held a hearing on the spoliation of evidence by the Government actors including the prosecution and FBI.

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A. Jeannette's avatar

Thanks for your response Michelle. You present some highly important points here!

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Pat Smith's avatar

Since when does the DOJ have to abide by the Constitution or federal law? Merrick Garland is the law and thereby so is Jack Smith. Same for Congress. These two could care less what Congress thinks. Keep up your griping and you will be in the dock faster than you can say "stolen election." Of course, any challenge to this hyper lawfare is an attack on Democracy.

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Michelle Dostie's avatar

We hear it too often but truly the DOJ is not above our founding documents. Several have been charged with contempt of Congress, though they usually walk away ignoring the charge.

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Pat Smith's avatar

Don't tell them that. The Constitution was written by dead white guys and doesn't apply to sockpuppets and cryptkeepers.

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Seva's avatar

“Of course, any challenge to this hyper lawfare is an attack on Democracy.”

Some excerpts below from a Quillette review of a book about the irrational side of human nature. The last one says: “One comes away with the sense that civilization operates on narrow margins and is always on the verge of collapsing into irrationality.” That sure is the truth. Are we in a “Dark Age” where reason is in retreat? Certainly does seem so.

“Mackay makes the case, often in gory detail, that episodes of collective mania seem to be an inevitable consequence of human nature. Humans in every time and place have cast aside their better judgment and allowed themselves to be caught up in all manner of irrational hoopla.“

“His chapters on the Swabian Peasants’ War and Anabaptist uprisings are terrifying depictions of the end-times frenzy that wreaked havoc on northern Europe throughout the 16th and 17th centuries. The distance between these events in the German-speaking world and, say, the Reign of Terror in France or the Chinese Cultural Revolution is not that great. And the speed with which apparently reasonable people moved from the embrace of a new theological idea to a willingness to torture those whose own theological ideas diverged even slightly is startling.“

“There is plenty to recommend about The Delusions of Crowds. It is laden with great anecdotes and the writing is always engaging. One comes away with the sense that civilization operates on narrow margins and is always on the verge of collapsing into irrationality.”

“The Delusions of Crowds-A Review.”

Quillette. Feb 8, 2021

https://quillette.com/2021/02/08/the-delusions-of-crowds-a-review/

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Gary Thomson's avatar

I would love to watch the lefties' heads explode if Judge Cannon should dismiss the case based upon Jack Smith not being an appointed officer of the USA. The cacophony of the sound from the wailing of demented leftists coming out of the upper east coast would be heard across the nation. Lawfare fully exposed.

Incidentally, if you haven't watched "The Death of Minneapolis", YOU MUST WATCH IT!!!!! It methodically and forcefully exposes the George Floyd "murder" hoax with not seen before camera footage taken from the police officers belt cams. It shows the ACTUAL unedited, full autopsy reports reflecting the fully drug addled George Floyd and reflects that no damage was done to his breathing structure. It shows the massive delay by the Minneapolis Fire & Medical Emergency department in responding to the police officers nearly immediate call for medical attention for George Floyd. It shows the actual police training manuals showing the exact hold used by Officer Dereck Chauvin on George Floyd (but denied by the weaseling Minneapolis chief of police). The documentary has been out since the end of 2023 but was not aware of it. You can see it on Rumble. MUST WATCH!!!!

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Seva's avatar

Our once great nation has been reduced to the level of a farce no longer capable of doing something as basic and essential as maintaining secure borders. And the world sees this online just as easily as we do.

“Criminals have shifted from their primary business, which was drug trafficking,” said Arturo Velasco, head of the anti-kidnapping unit at the Chihuahua attorney general’s office. “Now 60-70% of their focus is migrant smuggling.”

“A kilo of cocaine might bring in $1,500, but the risk is very high,” he added. “The cost-benefit of trafficking a person is $10,000, $12,000, $15,000.”

“Mexican cartels offering pricey VIP package for migrants trying to get into US.”

Yahoo News. The Courier Journal. Jun 20, 2024

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mexican-cartels-offering-pricey-vip-090513235.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmluZy5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABhSNu_fmFU3RTT-oxJ_4wpNz6FlHNIW5X72Wse4bhWY9AtQZBMECLbwFHstISsCp98N5o_Mp5tt5erQkRdDlPTwUvKnZVLiMWX-cIcEh6a-4bt0JW7xgvxxCSXjiDZ6-uDBNP2ZZjW5rT8ltqm-7m-ULdpGDX302HKw2PGcEHox

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Seva's avatar

Here’s an article from the Daily Beast with a link on Yahoo News which has many articles like this to promote the left’s view of reality which is that they’re committed to democracy and the rule of law which are under attack by Trump and his MAGA followers. So how do continue to have a country when we no longer even have a common reality with a great many of our “fellow Americans”?

“The power dynamic has shifted, and it’s all due to one person: U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon.”

“Judge Cannon is a disgrace to the concept of impartiality and integrity on the federal bench. This case should already have been tried to a verdict,” said Dennis Aftergut, a former federal prosecutor who has monitored the Mar-a-Lago case.

“Her MAGA-friendly rulings have managed to delay the case so badly that it now looks as if Trump might escape trial altogether if he manages to win the national election in 138 days. After all, what’s the point of prosecuting a man who, as president, can order his attorney general to simply kill the investigation—or choose to pardon himself? Trump has made clear he has no intention of respecting the DOJ’s independence if he returns to office, despite the fact that both options are red lines of corruption so familiar to banana republics around the world.”

“Trump’s Favorite Judge Puts Mar-a-Lago Prosecutor on Trial.”

Yahoo News. Daily Beast. Jun 20, 2024

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-favorite-judge-puts-mar-085347210.html

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William Pritting's avatar

If Cannon dismisses the case, can Biden simply nominate JS, Schumer’s Senate approve JS’s nomination, and JS re-submit the indictment and possibly next time get a Democrat-appointed judge?

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Michelle Dostie's avatar

The case would have to begin with a new Grand Jury. If President Trump is elected, the indictments would be served after his departure in 2029. So the new SC would have 5 years to develop the case.

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Seva's avatar

“Our condition is forever precarious; even basic human decency can shatter and vanish in an instant.”

“The everyday order of our lives may seem to us natural and permanent, but it is in fact as fragile and illusory as the cardboard props on a theatrical stage: It can collapse in a flash and turn at once into black horror. Our condition is forever precarious; even basic human decency can shatter and vanish in an instant.”

“History does not repeat itself, but ideas do.”

“Maoism had unique traits but Leys nonetheless always saw it as a member of what he called the “great totalitarian family”—ideologies produced by patterns of thought found across human societies, from tiny shipwrecked pre-Enlightenment microcosms to vast 20th century nations.”

“Analyst of Totalitarianism-Reading Simon Leys Today.”

Quillette. Sept 28, 2020

https://quillette.com/2020/09/28/analyst-of-totalitarianism-reading-simon-leys-today/

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