The president does not have a single ally in the Twin Cities including a federal judge he appointed who once clerked for Antonin Scalia. Why continue to take all the risk with little reward?
As usual, Congressional Repubs start melting at MSM calling them out. Theoretically, putting resources to better use makes a lot of sense. But pulling out of Minneapolis now would give a win to the anarchists and will just embolden them and no doubt many will be off to the next city to continue their mayhem.
What Pres. Trump should do is call his buddy Carney in Canada and make a simple trade deal. Give them Minnesota and we'll take Alberta. Simple solution to all the problems
Julie, in a way this is sounds like great idea, however, this would set a terrible precedent and all Blue states would follow this strategy. The murderers, rapist, drug dealers, thieves and pedos would filter into Red states. Arrest all of them regardless of the location.
If Trump let's them get away with this Insurrection, because that is what it is, with no litigation, no justice, Trump will lose a huge amount of credibility and the remaining Blue states will follow suit. So much for the rule of law. He's already on thin ice with his disaster of an AG.
I agree, Trump cannot retreat & set a terrible precedent that bad, violent behavior is a winning strategy to other blue, sanctuary states & cities. Wouldn’t leftist run cities see this atrocious Minnesota seditious behavior as acceptable? And use that blueprint in their cities? This is not an organic protest in Minneapolis- many of these hoodlums are bused in & under direction of an organized seditious group & funding. A win in their minds would only embolden them I fear. I don’t believe the Trump MAGA “ base” wants a retreat. Hopefully Trump will find a winning way out of this mess. Sometimes he tweets d’etant then lowers the hammer.
It is a classic insurgent effort, the democrats in Minnesota are part of an insurgency which at the moment is contained in several blue states for the most part. Leave now. But return at a time and place of your choosing. The left has gone insurgent and asymmetric, ICE and the Trump administration are fighting a zero sum game, they should look to Vietnam and Afghanistan if they want to figure out how to combat the insurgency. Stop this war of attrition. It’s not helping and ot winning. So leave, cut off federal funding anywhere and everywhere possible, starve the insurgent movement of cash. Use other arms of government to run down such things as tax evasion and fraud. Then start to plan how to box out the informants in the local police and federal agencies in Minnesota, or in DC. We know the FBI still has thousands of loyal anti Trump employees. Silo the operation, come and go at the targets of illegals in sporadic and “raid” like fashion. The whistle blowing mega phone blaring left wing agitators will have little to do, their pay will dry up. Make it hard for the enemy (make no mistake we are in a warm civil war) to know when and where your operation will land next. Leave days and weeks between each “raid”. Surgical and precise. In and out four or five bad guys at a time. At some point run some false flags up the spout and see who is squealing the intelligence inside your outfit. Arrest them and throw the book at them after you fire them with cause. Get to the money and dry it up.
Trump and his administration are planning cricket against an armed enemy. Time to get better and smarter. Throw sand in the their eyes and fight low and dirty. Otherwise this is a waste of time and treasure.
In my view this is the problem with leaving Minneapolis to its own devices: The level of coordination we're now learning about in the anti-ICE insurrection suggest strongly that someone(s) with deep pockets is helping fund and organize it. And the timing of it all along has suggested it's aimed not so much at disrupting ICE, but distracting from and derailing the investigation of the Somali fraud, which appears breathtaking in its scope.
So if temporarily suspending/drawing down ICE activities is done for the strategic aim of speeding up the Somali fraud investigation, I would be for that. But taking a hands-off approach to the whole place, including the Somali fraud, would set a horrible precedent. A state within a state; our own version of the moslem no-go zones where European police dare not tread.
Of course the next problem is securing Somali fraud indictments in the Minnesota federal courts. Maybe there's a judge and/or grand jury in Brainerd or Duluth who isn't co-opted. Yet.
I would give them back the 3500 or so criminal miscreants that were arrested. Truck them to Walz’s governor mansion and set them free in front of it and let him and his officials deal with them.
There is one reason: all the fed money going to businesses and people that don't exist. Minnesota will never end the gravy train until they are forced to do so because it's not their money, it other people's money.
It’s MY money. And I want it back. Either a general tax strike, make up a deduction for fraudulent use of tax dollars, or class action suit against the State of Minnesota for knowing, aiding and abetting tax fraud.
Agree, 100%. I had similar thoughts myself. If Minnesota wants become a hell hole of the third world, let them, but we should withdrawal all possible federal support. If they're going to live outside of the federal law, they don't deserve to receive Federal support. Let them commit suicide. And we're not gonna come and save them. I thought, what would Lincoln do but the situations are a bit different. They are succeeding in a different way though not entirely different.
If Trump gives up and pulls out the leftists behind this will score a victory and move on to the next city/state. This is a war that must be fought and won! This is our version of Gaza. Trump’s peace commission wants to declare victory over Hamas and claim there will be peace. Hamas, etc will be the ones who declare victory and go on killing Jews and preparing for the Oct 7. These are in fact the same people: Hamas and antifa
Charlie Kirk's political assassination emboldened Democrats to continue their violent freak show against Trump and America, because no one made Democrats' lives hell. The DOJ continues to be understaffed, because Republicans honor Democrat blue slips. These RINOs should be shamed and shunned.
Here's an X post from J6er Tim Hale:
"This is Karen P. Seifert. She was my prosecutor at my January 6 trial. She tried to frame me as a terrorist. She's an evil c@nt and still working for the Department of Justice."
Simple cut off all Federal Monies and services. Establish blockades into and out of the city. Apologize to all law abiding citizens. Think about it no use of federal military highways, no air traffic controls, no mail, no va services, etc. Treat it like it is, in rebellion. Just my cents worth.
Solid thinking, JK... No less than Saul Alinsky once pointed out that an op that drags on too long becomes a drag. And now, mid-Jan, this thing is becoming a drag.
Up to now... the Rest of the Country has seen what the organized Left can do. And MN has long been quirky in a Lefty kind of way (Democrat Farmer Labor... been a Lefty party for 75 yrs or more). But no, the visuals of Feds fighting Karens & Todds in the street are not how Trump ought to spend political capital.
That said... Consider the current Battle of Minneapolis as a Reconnaissance in Force... Trump admin sent in ICE & other Feds, to do their job, and then encountered unprecedented "Resistance"... And what a Resistance it is!! Gotta give 'em serious credit... These people are pretty good... Highly organized, w military-grade efforts, excellent comms, Signal-networks, SALUTE-system training, extensive networks of watchers & informants, access to secure systems like license plate ID (hmm...), money, housing, even donuts served up by MN National Guard. Plus astonishingly friendly media, up to & including the suckers at WSJ level (which is NOT the newspaper it used to be). And as you note, even local & federal courts that don't want to play ball w the Trump Federals.
In many ways, this all resembles the well-organized insurgency in Iraq in early 2000s, which higher ups didn't want to call an "insurgency" cuz... bad optics. They claimed "bitter-enders" and just drove on down the roads lined w IEDs. Figuratively & literally. Ignored Confucius, who counseled on how important it is to call things by the correct name.
Clearly, there's a widespread, underground, subversive organization here, to include hostile local & state govt; and apparent help from abroad... Canadian fundraising cutouts & bankers, w likely CCP backup. This is not just a bunch of Minnesota Church Ladies all lathered over their immigrant neighbors being sent home due to the fraud & dodgy daycare centers.
Okay, if Feds have done even a little bit of intelligence-collection, they now have "counted the guns" of the opposition, so to speak. No need for further kinetic actions just now... I hope they've been recording the Signals, tracing the money flows, ID'ing the central perps, noting the hot spots (eg, the late Mr Pretti died directly in front of a building that is home to >140 "health care" businesses.)
Rather than fight the opponents in the streets, better to fight them in the banks and money laundries. De-bank people (sound familiar?). IRS audits of NGOs. Stop money flows to all of these daycares & "medical" outlets. Etc... And surely, people have crossed state lines here... RICO, Interstate movement to commit crimes... Find friendlier jurisdictions. (Did someone board an airplane in Texas to go to Minnesota? Well... Voila.)
Trump admin should declare victory and redeploy ICE to other jurisdictions, where there are doubtless many more bad actors to deport.
“Highly organized, w military-grade efforts, excellent comms, Signal-networks, SALUTE-system training, extensive networks of watchers & informants, access to secure systems like license plate ID (hmm...), money, housing“… George Floyd was the jv tryouts. This is the pro team. Ignore at our peril.
Stay in until the fraud is uncovered! I hope DOJ, HHS, CMS, USDA have excellent intel. Ask datarepublican (small r) if help is needed. She has lots of info!
I am disgusted with you Julie. We have one law or we have NO LAW. Mpls- we going to skip fraud prosecutions and keep the deadhead Somalias because the leftists are throwing a temper tantrum. WE DEAL WITH THEM HERE OR WE GO TO CIVIL WAR as NewScum and Polis etc continue to steal and rule like stalinists in their hijacked states. ARREST ALL OF THE THE GOV LT GOV AG POLICE CHIEF SOME JUDGES ETC AND DETAIN INDEFINITELY. Then lets get the Signal faux soldiers. If you are signing in for shifts - you are probably getting paid. YOU THINK WE SHOULD SURRENDER OUR COUNTRY TO THIEVES COMMUNISTS AND ILLEGALS - A color revolution would run right over you
I appreciate your analysis of this insurrection ongoing in Minneapolis, Julie, but I don't share your optimism that this violent and deadly situation can be solved simply by President Trump removing ICE from the city. And, of course, the Inside-the-Beltway-Establishment-Statists-RINOS are always ready-willing-and-able to capitulate at the drop of hat, so they must be ignored. I have believed for several months now that the situation in Minnesota and other sanctuary states/cities is reminiscent of Georgia and Alabama in 1856. These sanctuary states/cities for years have declared that Federal law doesn't apply inside their borders (but, of course, they still clamor for continued federal money flowing into their states' coffers). If President Trump continues to delay to deploy the military to put down this insurrection, or if he decides not to do so, it will only embolden the Marxist-Demo-Party and their antifa thugs to take over more cities. In my opinion, there isn't a dimes bit of difference between this uprising and the secession sentiment boiling over in Atlanta in 1856. Some decisive action must be taken soon or this most certainly will devolve into something this country hasn't witnessed 160 years.
No, we won't. We're intelligent enough to read the fine print and understand what's going on here. We ( I speak as a typical MAGA voter), do not live by our emotions, but by our brains and reasoning abilities.
As usual, Congressional Repubs start melting at MSM calling them out. Theoretically, putting resources to better use makes a lot of sense. But pulling out of Minneapolis now would give a win to the anarchists and will just embolden them and no doubt many will be off to the next city to continue their mayhem.
What Pres. Trump should do is call his buddy Carney in Canada and make a simple trade deal. Give them Minnesota and we'll take Alberta. Simple solution to all the problems
And WHERE ARE THE WATER CANNONS?
good idea. the right people, and a few barrels of shale to boot!
Julie, in a way this is sounds like great idea, however, this would set a terrible precedent and all Blue states would follow this strategy. The murderers, rapist, drug dealers, thieves and pedos would filter into Red states. Arrest all of them regardless of the location.
If Trump let's them get away with this Insurrection, because that is what it is, with no litigation, no justice, Trump will lose a huge amount of credibility and the remaining Blue states will follow suit. So much for the rule of law. He's already on thin ice with his disaster of an AG.
I agree, Trump cannot retreat & set a terrible precedent that bad, violent behavior is a winning strategy to other blue, sanctuary states & cities. Wouldn’t leftist run cities see this atrocious Minnesota seditious behavior as acceptable? And use that blueprint in their cities? This is not an organic protest in Minneapolis- many of these hoodlums are bused in & under direction of an organized seditious group & funding. A win in their minds would only embolden them I fear. I don’t believe the Trump MAGA “ base” wants a retreat. Hopefully Trump will find a winning way out of this mess. Sometimes he tweets d’etant then lowers the hammer.
Totally agree!
It is a classic insurgent effort, the democrats in Minnesota are part of an insurgency which at the moment is contained in several blue states for the most part. Leave now. But return at a time and place of your choosing. The left has gone insurgent and asymmetric, ICE and the Trump administration are fighting a zero sum game, they should look to Vietnam and Afghanistan if they want to figure out how to combat the insurgency. Stop this war of attrition. It’s not helping and ot winning. So leave, cut off federal funding anywhere and everywhere possible, starve the insurgent movement of cash. Use other arms of government to run down such things as tax evasion and fraud. Then start to plan how to box out the informants in the local police and federal agencies in Minnesota, or in DC. We know the FBI still has thousands of loyal anti Trump employees. Silo the operation, come and go at the targets of illegals in sporadic and “raid” like fashion. The whistle blowing mega phone blaring left wing agitators will have little to do, their pay will dry up. Make it hard for the enemy (make no mistake we are in a warm civil war) to know when and where your operation will land next. Leave days and weeks between each “raid”. Surgical and precise. In and out four or five bad guys at a time. At some point run some false flags up the spout and see who is squealing the intelligence inside your outfit. Arrest them and throw the book at them after you fire them with cause. Get to the money and dry it up.
Trump and his administration are planning cricket against an armed enemy. Time to get better and smarter. Throw sand in the their eyes and fight low and dirty. Otherwise this is a waste of time and treasure.
Excellent
In my view this is the problem with leaving Minneapolis to its own devices: The level of coordination we're now learning about in the anti-ICE insurrection suggest strongly that someone(s) with deep pockets is helping fund and organize it. And the timing of it all along has suggested it's aimed not so much at disrupting ICE, but distracting from and derailing the investigation of the Somali fraud, which appears breathtaking in its scope.
So if temporarily suspending/drawing down ICE activities is done for the strategic aim of speeding up the Somali fraud investigation, I would be for that. But taking a hands-off approach to the whole place, including the Somali fraud, would set a horrible precedent. A state within a state; our own version of the moslem no-go zones where European police dare not tread.
Of course the next problem is securing Somali fraud indictments in the Minnesota federal courts. Maybe there's a judge and/or grand jury in Brainerd or Duluth who isn't co-opted. Yet.
This
I would give them back the 3500 or so criminal miscreants that were arrested. Truck them to Walz’s governor mansion and set them free in front of it and let him and his officials deal with them.
There is one reason: all the fed money going to businesses and people that don't exist. Minnesota will never end the gravy train until they are forced to do so because it's not their money, it other people's money.
It’s MY money. And I want it back. Either a general tax strike, make up a deduction for fraudulent use of tax dollars, or class action suit against the State of Minnesota for knowing, aiding and abetting tax fraud.
Agree, 100%. I had similar thoughts myself. If Minnesota wants become a hell hole of the third world, let them, but we should withdrawal all possible federal support. If they're going to live outside of the federal law, they don't deserve to receive Federal support. Let them commit suicide. And we're not gonna come and save them. I thought, what would Lincoln do but the situations are a bit different. They are succeeding in a different way though not entirely different.
Although I do think they need to stick around for the fraud investigations of the somalian money.
If Trump gives up and pulls out the leftists behind this will score a victory and move on to the next city/state. This is a war that must be fought and won! This is our version of Gaza. Trump’s peace commission wants to declare victory over Hamas and claim there will be peace. Hamas, etc will be the ones who declare victory and go on killing Jews and preparing for the Oct 7. These are in fact the same people: Hamas and antifa
Charlie Kirk's political assassination emboldened Democrats to continue their violent freak show against Trump and America, because no one made Democrats' lives hell. The DOJ continues to be understaffed, because Republicans honor Democrat blue slips. These RINOs should be shamed and shunned.
Here's an X post from J6er Tim Hale:
"This is Karen P. Seifert. She was my prosecutor at my January 6 trial. She tried to frame me as a terrorist. She's an evil c@nt and still working for the Department of Justice."
https://x.com/LouisofMonmouth/status/2015840899465458101
If Trump bails from MN, his MAGA base will desert him, and then it's all over.
Give Trump a chance to find a win here. He always does. He knows he is up against a gang of losers.
Simple cut off all Federal Monies and services. Establish blockades into and out of the city. Apologize to all law abiding citizens. Think about it no use of federal military highways, no air traffic controls, no mail, no va services, etc. Treat it like it is, in rebellion. Just my cents worth.
Solid thinking, JK... No less than Saul Alinsky once pointed out that an op that drags on too long becomes a drag. And now, mid-Jan, this thing is becoming a drag.
Up to now... the Rest of the Country has seen what the organized Left can do. And MN has long been quirky in a Lefty kind of way (Democrat Farmer Labor... been a Lefty party for 75 yrs or more). But no, the visuals of Feds fighting Karens & Todds in the street are not how Trump ought to spend political capital.
That said... Consider the current Battle of Minneapolis as a Reconnaissance in Force... Trump admin sent in ICE & other Feds, to do their job, and then encountered unprecedented "Resistance"... And what a Resistance it is!! Gotta give 'em serious credit... These people are pretty good... Highly organized, w military-grade efforts, excellent comms, Signal-networks, SALUTE-system training, extensive networks of watchers & informants, access to secure systems like license plate ID (hmm...), money, housing, even donuts served up by MN National Guard. Plus astonishingly friendly media, up to & including the suckers at WSJ level (which is NOT the newspaper it used to be). And as you note, even local & federal courts that don't want to play ball w the Trump Federals.
In many ways, this all resembles the well-organized insurgency in Iraq in early 2000s, which higher ups didn't want to call an "insurgency" cuz... bad optics. They claimed "bitter-enders" and just drove on down the roads lined w IEDs. Figuratively & literally. Ignored Confucius, who counseled on how important it is to call things by the correct name.
Clearly, there's a widespread, underground, subversive organization here, to include hostile local & state govt; and apparent help from abroad... Canadian fundraising cutouts & bankers, w likely CCP backup. This is not just a bunch of Minnesota Church Ladies all lathered over their immigrant neighbors being sent home due to the fraud & dodgy daycare centers.
Okay, if Feds have done even a little bit of intelligence-collection, they now have "counted the guns" of the opposition, so to speak. No need for further kinetic actions just now... I hope they've been recording the Signals, tracing the money flows, ID'ing the central perps, noting the hot spots (eg, the late Mr Pretti died directly in front of a building that is home to >140 "health care" businesses.)
Rather than fight the opponents in the streets, better to fight them in the banks and money laundries. De-bank people (sound familiar?). IRS audits of NGOs. Stop money flows to all of these daycares & "medical" outlets. Etc... And surely, people have crossed state lines here... RICO, Interstate movement to commit crimes... Find friendlier jurisdictions. (Did someone board an airplane in Texas to go to Minnesota? Well... Voila.)
Trump admin should declare victory and redeploy ICE to other jurisdictions, where there are doubtless many more bad actors to deport.
“Highly organized, w military-grade efforts, excellent comms, Signal-networks, SALUTE-system training, extensive networks of watchers & informants, access to secure systems like license plate ID (hmm...), money, housing“… George Floyd was the jv tryouts. This is the pro team. Ignore at our peril.
Stay in until the fraud is uncovered! I hope DOJ, HHS, CMS, USDA have excellent intel. Ask datarepublican (small r) if help is needed. She has lots of info!
I am disgusted with you Julie. We have one law or we have NO LAW. Mpls- we going to skip fraud prosecutions and keep the deadhead Somalias because the leftists are throwing a temper tantrum. WE DEAL WITH THEM HERE OR WE GO TO CIVIL WAR as NewScum and Polis etc continue to steal and rule like stalinists in their hijacked states. ARREST ALL OF THE THE GOV LT GOV AG POLICE CHIEF SOME JUDGES ETC AND DETAIN INDEFINITELY. Then lets get the Signal faux soldiers. If you are signing in for shifts - you are probably getting paid. YOU THINK WE SHOULD SURRENDER OUR COUNTRY TO THIEVES COMMUNISTS AND ILLEGALS - A color revolution would run right over you
I appreciate your analysis of this insurrection ongoing in Minneapolis, Julie, but I don't share your optimism that this violent and deadly situation can be solved simply by President Trump removing ICE from the city. And, of course, the Inside-the-Beltway-Establishment-Statists-RINOS are always ready-willing-and-able to capitulate at the drop of hat, so they must be ignored. I have believed for several months now that the situation in Minnesota and other sanctuary states/cities is reminiscent of Georgia and Alabama in 1856. These sanctuary states/cities for years have declared that Federal law doesn't apply inside their borders (but, of course, they still clamor for continued federal money flowing into their states' coffers). If President Trump continues to delay to deploy the military to put down this insurrection, or if he decides not to do so, it will only embolden the Marxist-Demo-Party and their antifa thugs to take over more cities. In my opinion, there isn't a dimes bit of difference between this uprising and the secession sentiment boiling over in Atlanta in 1856. Some decisive action must be taken soon or this most certainly will devolve into something this country hasn't witnessed 160 years.
Agree. The country is heading for a rupture of the union.
And we all will lose the mid terms and probably 2028 as well
This is an opinion worth reading: https://x.com/schwalm5132/status/2015938345491218662?s=61
No, we won't. We're intelligent enough to read the fine print and understand what's going on here. We ( I speak as a typical MAGA voter), do not live by our emotions, but by our brains and reasoning abilities.